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GN[US Open - 2010 US Go Congress - Round 5 Board 1 - Myungwan Kim vs Yongfei Ge]PW[Myungwan Kim]PB[Yongfei Ge]WR[9p]BR[7d]DT[2010-08-06]EV[2010 US Open]RO[5]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Solomon Smilack]C[USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2010 U.S. Go Congress live broadcast of the U.S. Open in Colorado Springs, Colorado, brought to you by the American Go E-Journal, KGS and the American Go Association. Check out our website – www.usgo.org - for the latest Congress reports, photos and game records, as well as go news from around the world.
USGO1 [-\]: his is round 5, board 1.  I'm Solomon Smilack, your game recorder today.
USGO1 [-\]: *This
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan and Yongfei met in the final round of last year's US Open, whcih Myungwan swept 6-0. Their last game was in the SPOT1 tournament earlier this year, which Myungwan swept as well. Let's see if Yongfei can take one back from the returning champion~
evanj [2d\]: Doesn't sound likely :D
USGO1 [-\]: Their KGS handles for that tournament were Myungwan and gyfcat if you want to review those game records.
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan is 4-0 so far this tournament, and is the only undefeated player in the 7d+ band.
USGO1 [-\]: Five other players are 3-1; but of those three have taken their loss to Myungwan already.
USGO1 [-\]: You can see the current standings and download the game records here: http://usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/82?sort=player
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei is dressed well, as usual. He is wearing a gray/blue/white dress shirt buttoned to the collar. Myungwan is in a blue polo and khakis.
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;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[pq]
;W[dd]
;B[fq]
;W[cn]C[USGO1 [-\]: Both players began briskly, and Myungwan seemed to hesitate on c6, but then he plays it anwyay.
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;B[ip]
;W[po]C[USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei has held white stones for rounds 2 3 4, so he certainly expected to play black today.
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;B[oo]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: usgo1
grumpyjoe [-\]: you are a genius
jeffywhite [2d\]: i personally love the commentary
USGO1 [-\]: Well thank you. I'm just noting that he may have had time to prepare a tricky fuseki.
evanj [2d\]: kudos seconded.
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;W[on]
;B[op]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: you are 3 times better than a video stream
AppleKun [-\]: where can i find live game of this?
Morrostone [2d?\]: i think, it will not help
grumpyjoe [-\]: can we have a link for current results?
NorthWind [5k\]: joe, that's not grumpy enough
yithril [2d\]: I wonder if yongfei is going to get smacked down like last time
USGO1 [-\]: I mean, it's what I would do if I was 0-2 against someone and had gotten white stones in most of my games.
grumpyjoe [-\]: i'm just not myself, ever since Kang lost
NorthWind [5k\]: hahha
alexanderp [?\]: USGO, can you point to the results table, please?
evanj [2d\]: the link is up there
USGO1 [-\]: There is no live feed. I posted a link to current results, along with bios, at the beginning of the game.
alexanderp [?\]: thankls
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;W[pn]
;B[qp]
;W[mn]C[alexanderp [?\]: wow, live results with sgf's. how different from EGC organization (we still don't have the results)
SqueezeIt [2d\]: we do
alexanderp [?\]: where?
SqueezeIt [2d\]: egc2010.fi
USGO1 [-\]: You can thank Vash3G for his work in making sure the games get into the crosstabs :D
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;B[mp]
;W[qf]
;B[nc]C[Morrostone [2d?\]: thanks :D
spider451 [1d\]: wow awsome corner for b
alexanderp [?\]: well, Squeezelt, you can't download sgf and stuff like in USGO table. It's just a txt file. And it was uploaded only recently.
SqueezeIt [2d\]: yeah..
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei seems... caffienated? He's very awake.
niceplum [?\]: make a perl script to sgf it
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;W[pp]C[niceplum [?\]: probably on ritalin
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;B[qq]C[NorthWind [5k\]: lol
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;W[rd]
;B[qc]
;W[qi]C[FreeDoom [?\]: q4?
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;B[rn]C[ZeroKun [-\]: i need whatever he has then
jeffywhite [2d\]: yongfei seems to be doing better in my opinion
niceplum [?\]: do they drug test go tournaments, I've always wondered. If some dude could just eat a bunch of aniracetam and partial agonist psychedelics
ZeroKun [-\]: lol
elixyr [13k\]: I went to Go tournament coked out before
elixyr [13k\]: I lost every game
elixyr [13k\]: Not advisable
Prophet19 [9k\]: ...
yithril [2d\]: woah
USGO1 [-\]: I think you would spend more on drugs than you win in prize money.
yithril [2d\]: WTMI
Marcus [16k?\]: They give out free coke at the entrance Niceplum
uzmest [1d\]: they do it at the world championship (drug test)
yithril [2d\]: hahahahahaha
yithril [2d\]: lol usgo1
niceplum [?\]: hahaha
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;W[fc]C[engelchen [1d\]: how to detect forbidden brain transfusions ?
USGO1 [-\]: But no, there isn't testing of that kind for teh US Open.
gggd [2d\]: who is white
HandA [1k\]: is EuroCup over?
SqueezeIt [2d\]: not yet
yithril [2d\]: well wherever elixir lives they should have it
alexanderp [?\]: No, tomorrow will be last round
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;B[be]C[HandA [1k\]: what time?
elixyr [13k\]: haha, I live where Vash3G lives...Rochester, NY area
YangXu [4d\]: 2nd line already? >>"'
niceplum [?\]: aniracetam would be advisable to every go player, nay, every human being
Syptryn [3d\]: mmm b-15 already?
evanj [2d\]: probe?
NorthWind [5k\]: 08:00 GMT
alexanderp [?\]: niceplum, i'm interested in subscribing to your newsletter
niceplum [?\]: b 15 wow
Syptryn [3d\]: seems a little early for this?
HandA [1k\]: thanks, missed lotta games
alexanderp [?\]: though, piracetam isn't very good, imo
FreeDoom [?\]: b15 say "won't let a big corner"
niceplum [?\]: aniracetam lacks the side effects of piracetam and additionally calms you down, while maintaining 8x the potency
alexanderp [?\]: Have you tried it? What are the effects?
gggd [2d\]: b16
alexanderp [?\]: you can pm me:)
niceplum [?\]: I will : )
USGO1 [-\]: I thought it was for Alzheimer's... anyway back to the game. Is black's opening successful?
grumpyjoe [-\]: you need to hook roln up with some of that
jeffywhite [2d\]: i think it is
baian [1d\]: yes
yithril [2d\]: I don't see why it wouldn't be
Syptryn [3d\]: mmm
jeffywhite [2d\]: he has a huge side
Syptryn [3d\]: I like black so far
Syptryn [3d\]: bot isn't terriroty though
DanielTom [5d\]: I think W's direction of play with r14 is rather dubious
Syptryn [3d\]: gaping hole at L4
evanj [2d\]: you sure you have the colors right? :D
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei has left the room. He's way more awake than I am.
Syptryn [3d\]: it appears whit has little terriroty
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;W[ce]C[Syptryn [3d\]: how much time to the gey per person?
Syptryn [3d\]: and how many rounds per day?
USGO1 [-\]: And more awake than Myungwan, who just yawned.
DanielTom [5d\]: W wants to make B weak here and use the wall to attack
iancho [1d\]: Any commentaries online today?
evanj [2d\]: what wall? and to attack what?
jodageezer [8k\]: Alexanderp, are you the pro? If so, can you comment on this game?
DanielTom [5d\]: Alexanderp is not the pro :)
jeffywhite [2d\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: Usually a pro commentator will let the game go a half hour or an hour until there is something to comment on...
USGO1 [-\]: but you're more than welcome to elect DanielTom in the meantime ;D
DanielTom [5d\]: no, thanks
USGO1 [-\]: ;_;
jodageezer [8k\]: I thought he might be Dinerchien.
evanj [2d\]: because his name is alexander?
jodageezer [8k\]: yes
twold [1k\]: clever
evanj [2d\]: that seems like rather flimsy evidence
USGO1 [-\]: Well perhaps someone can at least let us know how black might follow up here...
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;B[bd]
;W[bf]
;B[cf]C[ZeroKun [-\]: too late
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;W[cg]
;B[df]
;W[bh]C[evanj [2d\]: b16 is the only move i think
Syptryn [3d\]: isn't this generally not cool for white?
flooder: d17
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei is back~!
iancho [1d\]: b seems to have bad aji at m4
yithril [2d\]: I usually like white after this
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;B[dc]C[evanj [2d\]: not necessarily bad aji, but it's not territroy on the bottom by any means
MagicMagor [3k\]: is this a common sequence? looks pretty strange to me
iancho [1d\]: if m3 crosscut seems to work
evanj [2d\]: territory*
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;W[cc]
;B[cd]
;W[db]C[evanj [2d\]: yes magic
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;B[de]C[evanj [2d\]: standard sequence
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;W[ec]C[yithril [2d\]: cuz of th ewhole false eye dealie
yithril [2d\]: but hey
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;B[eh]C[MagicMagor [3k\]: thanks..
flooder: everybody knows it - even the 7d and the pros
Syptryn [3d\]: white is sort on terriroty
Syptryn [3d\]: d13 e13 e14 ?
illa [4k\]: this is actual game?
DangoMango [2k\]: flooder u should reword it to "everybody knows it - even the 30k's
yougotPWND [7d?\]: yeah live broadcast
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;W[di]C[FreeDoom [?\]: w will slowly gain the peace
evanj [2d\]: top side?
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;B[ei]C[iancho [1d\]: w looks ahead already to me
NorthWind [5k\]: nah kyus don't learn josekis ... rely on raw kyu-power :)
Sharak [5k\]: is it game ?
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei plants e11 firmly and is tapping his toe. Myungwan is gently rocking and clearing his throat, I hope he doesn't have a cold.
iancho [1d\]: pushing along the 4th....
Itch [5k\]: line
DangoMango [2k\]: what's wrong with 4th line push?
DangoMango [2k\]: i've seen pros win with 4th line push
yithril [2d\]: seems kind of vital here
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong Koh glances at the game en route to get some water - if he wins his game today I believe he'll be paired with the winner of this game in the 6th round.
HammerTime [2k\]: play what works, not what a proverb tells you
evanj [2d\]: is that a proverb?
HammerTime [2k\]: it is now
HammerTime [2k\]: the hammer has spoken!
iancho [1d\]: play the odds, I say
evanj [2d\]: is there a possibility here besides D10?
DanielTom [5d\]: is W considering e10 ?
gallucci [16k\]: wonder why white's taking so long...
evanj [2d\]: hah
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;W[dj]C[Morrostone [2d?\]: like white
harvey103 [2k\]: also pushing from behind but in this situation hard to see b not making f11
NorthWind [5k\]: cos the more you know, the more options you have to consider
Asum [1k?\]: that's why i prefer to know less
jeffywhite [2d\]: actually, the more you know, the less options you have to consider
jeffywhite [2d\]: because you automatically erase bad moves
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;B[dr]C[evanj [2d\]: I don't think it's a monotonic correlation
twold [1k\]: actually, there is no general statement
USGO1 [-\]: How will white respond to the tenuki?
DangoMango [2k\]: fierce attack for the win!
Itch [5k\]: l4 ?
jeffywhite [2d\]: by throwing up the board in defeat
whengo [21k?\]: lol
MagicMagor [3k\]: by another tenuki? =)
andg99 [?\]: with buzuki
SBA [8k\]: ragequit?
baian [1d\]: taking a coffee break ?
mafutrct [-\]: l4?
evanj [2d\]: i was going to suggest grasping his head with both hands and shouting "ay, dios mio!"
evanj [2d\]: but I bet he will play on the top side
DanielTom [5d\]: what if Black c3 instead of this keima
gallucci [16k\]: shouldnt black try to stop whites stones at f 17? it seems he could save a lot of points there
covtxrider [15k\]: after serious thought, c3
mafutrct [-\]: c3 l4 i think
illa [4k\]: c3 less sentish?
indianayk [4d\]: well, b is too much territory centric?
DaiMaou [1k\]: c3 is gote^^
evanj [2d\]: i don't think w will play c3
mailing [-\]: m4
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;W[lc]C[whengo [21k?\]: white shouuld play around the top middle star i think
whengo [21k?\]: yay
whengo [21k?\]: im right
FreeDoom [?\]: m4 invasion too soon
DanielTom [5d\]: does Myungwan have a fan with him, USGO1?
USGO1 [-\]: Wallet, phone, keys, name tag on the table with his water bottle. I don't see a fan but he could borrow one from the TD
zakatan [6k\]: no pro comments today?
FreeDoom [?\]: he have fun but no fan
kikasare [?\]: Are both players 9p?
Asum [1k?\]: im his fan
evanj [2d\]: evanj [2d\]: but I bet he will play on the top side
evanj [2d\]: no, kika
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;B[ge]C[evanj [2d\]: just the one with [9p\] next to his name
kikasare [?\]: Neither have ranks on my screen
evanj [2d\]: ah
evanj [2d\]: w is 9p, b is 7d (highest AGA amateur rank)
kikasare [?\]: Thanks
whengo [21k?\]: how big are the difference between 7d and 9p
kikasare [?\]: Big
jeffywhite [2d\]: well find out
jeffywhite [2d\]: wont we
whengo [21k?\]: 9p is the highest or lowest p?
evanj [2d\]: B winning would be a pretty big upset
Goprince [3d\]: not necessarily kikasare
evanj [2d\]: highest, when
evanj [2d\]: 9p is the highest possible rank
whengo [21k?\]: :O
NorthWind [5k\]: 9p-7d = 3x
LearnAgain [-\]: technically, 7d and 9p vary
Morph [4d?\]: there range between different 7d's in the aga is VERY large
evanj [2d\]: that's true
Morph [4d?\]: the*
DanielTom [5d\]: there is also 10p in Japan, I think
FreeDoom [?\]: there is not a 10p ?
harvey103 [2k\]: Kim was very convincing in his win over Eric Liu yesterday
dsaun [1k\]: 10p is a title, not a rank
Iciac [5k\]: It's all subjective.
Asum [1k?\]: 10p is a title
Koffein [-\]: 10p is a title, not a rank
MagicMagor [3k\]: 10p is a title not a normal rank
whengo [21k?\]: ok
evanj [2d\]: i think we ahve a consensus
whengo [21k?\]: thanks
andg99 [?\]: 10p=Judan
DanielTom [5d\]: the title replaces the rank :)
HammerTime [2k\]: i think 10p is a title, not a rank ;P
evanj [2d\]: suffice it to say, Kim is extremely strong, one of the strongest players in the world.
NorthWind [5k\]: h16
HammerTime [2k\]: A1
whengo [21k?\]: whats up with this matchup
flooder: I have heard it is only a title - 10p i mean
evanj [2d\]: Ge is very strong as well but not regularly at the same level.  W is heavily favored.
whengo [21k?\]: does a 7d stand a chance
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan puts his hand over his bowl, then leans over the board for a while. Yongfei's knees are bouncing under the table.
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;W[fe]C[FreeDoom [?\]: 9p doesn't mean you are stronghest, pro rank are different than ama rank
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;B[ff]
;W[gf]C[blurry [5k\]: yes
XiaoDre [6d\]: has Myungwan Kim lost any tournament in USA ?
whengo [21k?\]: ok
Iciac [5k\]: nice cut
evanj [2d\]: Myungwan has not lost a _game_ in the USA.
USGO1 [-\]: Now Yongfei takes a moment to think.
XiaoDre [6d\]: not a game?
Morph [4d?\]: time for the korean strengths to show
evanj [2d\]: not a game.
ogre [2d?\]: he will lose eventually
Morph [4d?\]: aka fighting
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan's AGA record was 19-0 entering the US Open
evanj [2d\]: he is something like 22-0 in AGA games
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;B[he]C[evanj [2d\]: ok, 23-0 then :D
grumpyjoe [-\]: bigbadwolf would have taken him down
Goprince [3d\]: wow  only move but hard fight for black
XiaoDre [6d\]: wow.. if bbw can beat him
flooder: how has he played in pro tournaments before moving to us?
evanj [2d\]: well enough to earn 9p
dter1: h13?
evanj [2d\]: he was promoted relatively recently from 8p
Iciac [5k\]: g13
blurry [5k\]: who decides pro ranks?
XiaoDre [6d\]: the association i think
ogre [2d?\]: there are rulse for each pro organization
FreeDoom [?\]: pro federation, age and tournament
evanj [2d\]: you can read all aobut it on sensei's library i imagine
XiaoDre [6d\]: they decide the rules for promotion
grumpyjoe [-\]: can anybody from anywhere play in this?
DanielTom [5d\]: it is mostly decided based on your results in tournaments
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;W[hf]C[MssrBlanc [2k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?ProfessionalPromotionTournaments
whengo [21k?\]: anybody knnow if r7 ir r8 is a good or bad move for white
XiaoDre [6d\]: cant fengyun, or redmond beat kim?? or they dont enter US Open
XiaoDre [6d\]: ?
ogre [2d?\]: seems like nowadays if you win major titles you get 9p without the requisite number of wins
andg99 [?\]: Myungwan =Tartrate?
FreeDoom [?\]: pro ranks are like level in company, they say how many money you earn each month
ogre [2d?\]: redmond dont live in us does he
MssrBlanc [2k\]: no, they don't freedoom
Morph [4d?\]: ok...
MssrBlanc [2k\]: it's based on games won
indianayk [4d\]: i believe bbw lost to kim at last year's congress
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;B[fd]
;W[ee]
;B[ef]
;W[ed]C[evanj [2d\]: sure, other pros can beat him, but they don't play in these tournaments
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;B[ie]C[Morph [4d?\]: big difference between nonactive 9p and active 9p
ogre [2d?\]: yes
baian [1d\]: how big ?
MssrBlanc [2k\]: Myungwan is stronger than Feng Yun.  But unless you're a high dan, it's hard to tell by how much he's stronger
iancho [1d\]: w is punishing the tenuki on this group
ogre [2d?\]: very big
Morph [4d?\]: I highly doubt redmond or fenyun could beat kim
ogre [2d?\]: redmond would destroy kim
evanj [2d\]: is Redmond active at all in Japan?
Goprince [3d\]: redmon is not active anymore?
ogre [2d?\]: he is an active pro
MssrBlanc [2k\]: Redmond is active
evanj [2d\]: ok
ogre [2d?\]: yes he is active
blurry [5k\]: h14 seems too close
Morph [4d?\]: ah
Morph [4d?\]: my bad
locomotive [?\]: Myungwan not active in pro tournaments either
ogre [2d?\]: he would win kim most of the time
MssrBlanc [2k\]: He is maybe 20-40th in strength in Japan.  
Morph [4d?\]: then I'll have to retract my statement for redmond
ogre [2d?\]: not question about it
NorthWind [5k\]: m15
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei is now standing and surveying the board, waiting for Myungwan's move.
Koffein [-\]: m15 j13 
MssrBlanc [2k\]: I don't know about that, Ogre. 
MssrBlanc [2k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?HankukKiwonProRatings%2F2005and2006
XiaoDre [6d\]: active pro stronger than non-active?
andg99 [?\]: Redmond is very active, recently he beat LeeSedol second time
Morph [4d?\]: yah
evanj [2d\]: good for him
vv005123 [30k?\]: what is 9p
Morph [4d?\]: because non-active pros stay 9p w/o competing
MssrBlanc [2k\]: I think Redmond beat Cho U, not Lee Sedol
Morph [4d?\]: well I should say, in general
vv005123 [30k?\]: what is 9p?
MssrBlanc [2k\]: 9 dan professional--highest rank possible
evanj [2d\]: since 10d is a title, not a rank
vv005123 [30k?\]: thx
flooder: I heard 10p is a title and not a rank
Asum [1k?\]: 10 people pointed that out already
Goprince [3d\]: like 100
FreeDoom [?\]: it's higher 9p or better chocolate ?
flooder: really??
Morph [4d?\]: himself included lol
evanj [2d\]: what's w's next move here?
Asum [1k?\]: i was actually first
Morph [4d?\]: chocolate is better
MssrBlanc [2k\]: I hate when people talk about who "could" beat others.  It's all about percentage.  
XiaoDre [6d\]: why hate?
Morph [4d?\]: but sometimes too sugary
MssrBlanc [2k\]: Plenty of mid-range pros will beat top professionals 1 time in 5.  
WillFront [-\]: h11  ?
Goprince [3d\]: obviously
XiaoDre [6d\]: source please MssrBlanc
DanielTom [5d\]: go Tartrate! ;-)
dter1: j14
XiaoDre [6d\]: anyway, doesnt look like the game is easy for white
vv005123 [30k?\]: 名人,天元,十段,王座,棋聖
USGO1 [-\]: Cathy Li 1p and Huiren Yang 1p have taken an interest in the game.
andg99 [?\]: the highest percentage-Lee Changho, and second- Cho U
Goprince [3d\]: oh cathy li is there but didnt play?
NorthWind [5k\]: W like a sheepdog with a flock of sheep making them go where he wants
Morph [4d?\]: not quite
ogre [2d?\]: redmond qualified for the tengen tournament and agon cup this year
FreeDoom [?\]: what kind of intrest? they bet money?
XiaoDre [6d\]: white needs to engineer a double attack?
swift [8k\]: @USGO1 which board?
baian [1d\]: regulating the flow is important
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;W[if]C[Goprince [3d\]: yea seems w needs double attack but m17 stone looks liek will take a beating
grumpyjoe [-\]: i think b is worse here
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;B[ke]C[MssrBlanc [2k\]: that was my estimate, not a statistic
Iciac [5k\]: white just played, and thus b looks worse ;)
MssrBlanc [2k\]: but for instance: http://igo-kisen.hp.infoseek.co.jp/oza.html
ogre [2d?\]: there are different types of top pros
MssrBlanc [2k\]: see Cho U's record vs. Kimio
flooder: Is 10p a title?
whengo [21k?\]: k16?
Morph [4d?\]: ...
MssrBlanc [2k\]: Kimio is definitely not top ten in Japan.  
Iciac [5k\]: Juudan.
ogre [2d?\]: kimio is a top pro
jeffywhite [2d\]: you know when it's a really good game because after each move, that player looks like they are winning
XiaoDre [6d\]: yamada kimio is 9p
Morph [4d?\]: flooder, how many times have to made a statement about that now?
ogre [2d?\]: kimio is one of the strongest
MssrBlanc [2k\]: He's 9p, but not top ten. 
flooder: wow it is hard work to troll on multiple games at the same time
MssrBlanc [2k\]: Or again, Redmond beat Cho U twice. 
MagicMagor [3k\]: morph: don't feed the troll
ZeroKun [-\]: rank rank rank, how about this game
Morph [4d?\]: oops
ogre [2d?\]: i didnt count them on my fingers forget about the magic number ten
Morph [4d?\]: sry magic
Janggo [5d\]: hmmm w has to kill something
Goprince [3d\]: does this move work?
NorthWind [5k\]: k16
XiaoDre [6d\]: at least kimio isnt a mid-level pro
ogre [2d?\]: lol far above mid
MssrBlanc [2k\]: Or Ogata Masaki beating Cho U.  
whengo [21k?\]: k16 looks good to me but im new
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;W[jf]C[FreeDoom [?\]: w need to settle m17 while strenghtening k14
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;B[fk]C[XiaoDre [6d\]: ??
grumpyjoe [-\]: wonder if w plans on keeping m17
Iciac [5k\]: cutting time
FreeDoom [?\]: f9 unexpected.. no?
MssrBlanc [2k\]: Also, Kimio's record is far better than 1 in 5...
soon9d [27k\]: k15 looks huge
Goprince [3d\]: huh
iancho [1d\]: worried about eg g9?
Goprince [3d\]: interesting
Ophelia [4k\]: cut, cut, cut!
clydesdale [3k\]: b can sacrifice j15
ogre [2d?\]: its not a surprise. kimio is always considered a favorite to win titles
FreeDoom [?\]: USGO1 what say the 2 1p?
MagicMagor [3k\]: maybe W thinks, getting the top is enough?
FreeDoom [?\]: when b play f9?
Iciac [5k\]: f9 was a good point for white if b k15
Ophelia [4k\]: because 1p kibitz on a live game in person...
USGO1 [-\]: See there you go, now Cathy will weigh in on the game from the next room~
ennuistic [2d\]: interesting.
ennuistic [2d\]: can tenuki?
USGO1 [-\]: To where?
ennuistic [2d\]: weill there are a lot of  big places.
]
;W[md]C[yougotPWND [7d?\]: w needs to attack both groups
XiaoDre [6d\]: hehe
grumpyjoe [-\]: sweet
grumpyjoe [-\]: i was hoping for this
ennuistic [2d\]: this is an interesting idea.
Iciac [5k\]: very nice move
yougotPWND [7d?\]: lol this is the only idea
USGO1 [-\]: How will black respond to this split?
XiaoDre [6d\]: sacrifice probably
Prophet19 [9k\]: m14
grumpyjoe [-\]: he should start crying anytime now
NorthWind [5k\]: years ?
blurry [5k\]: lose the game
ogre [2d?\]: k15
ibd [5k?\]: m16
NorthWind [5k\]: oops 
ennuistic [2d\]: keep the corner ob.
deft [3d\]: K15 is super heavy
ogre [2d?\]: yea
ennuistic [2d\]: q14 maybe?
ogre [2d?\]: i guess its bad
iancho [1d\]: w working over 3 groups  now
clydesdale [3k\]: l14
Iciac [5k\]: It's 2am, but I want to see this fight D:
deft [3d\]: Q14 is definitly an option
ennuistic [2d\]: f11 is relatively healthy
XiaoDre [6d\]: are u in japan Iciac?
Iciac [5k\]: Australia
sushisan [4d\]: well, normally K15 first mv to consider. dangerous here, though.
MagicMagor [3k\]: It's 6pm here.. perfect evening entertaiment =)
XiaoDre [6d\]: it's 12a.m. in kuala lumpur
deft [3d\]: L17 maybe interesting as a probe?
]
;B[kf]C[sushisan [4d\]: L17 doesn't really help b
deft [3d\]: that would help B to play L14 depending on how W answer
Asum [1k?\]: 12 am dosnt make sense
Iciac [5k\]: 12am = midnight.
]
;W[je]
;B[kd]C[evanj [2d\]: hm
Iciac [5k\]: Interesting sacrifice?
]
;W[ic]C[NorthWind [5k\]: ooh, some sheep got eaten by the wolf :(
iancho [1d\]: this looks ghrisly for b
ennuistic [2d\]: l14 in response?
Iciac [5k\]: j17 strong
ennuistic [2d\]: seems ok.
evanj [2d\]: hm hm hm hm
Iciac [5k\]: q14?
evanj [2d\]: q14 is too soft
ennuistic [2d\]: doesn't seem right now..
ennuistic [2d\]: q14 i mean.
deft [3d\]: I kind of like Q14 now
]
;B[pf]C[dter1: =))
Iciac [5k\]: ^.^
evanj [2d\]: 5k wins :)
arbi [5k\]: it seems pros are too soft for you evans
NorthWind [5k\]: L17
wolokom [5k\]: can someone explain?
evanj [2d\]: yes indeedy
Iciac [5k\]: n14
Kael [2d\]: wolokom: leaning attack
Kael [2d\]: wolokom b is building strength by pressing against R14, to really attack M17
deft [3d\]: W has to R13, playing K18 is too small to compensate for the damage B can do on the right
ennuistic [2d\]: black just wants an extra stone to pressure m17 when he cuts at l17 or caps at n14
Kael [2d\]: (and support L16)
ogre [2d?\]: looks like w can connect back with l18
jeffywhite [2d\]: is this to eventually attack the white group or just to stabilize his group?
arbi [5k\]: i would playe g11
ogre [2d?\]: so there is an insurance
Kael [2d\]: jeffy: same thing isn't it?
Kael [2d\]: I would guess pro = never do things for just one reason
jeffywhite [2d\]: i guess so :D
deft [3d\]: I don't think B will cut at L17, but instead connect his stones and force W to play L18
ennuistic [2d\]: both are playable i think.
ennuistic [2d\]: but if he caps, i don't think he gained anything in the exchange.
deft [3d\]: if he cuts he has two weak groups and W has one
Acemi [?\]: with white having sente also
ennuistic [2d\]: whtie still has a lot of aji even with the cap.
ennuistic [2d\]: he can tenuki the cap.
goroxy [5k\]: q15?
ennuistic [2d\]: no, just extend in either direction.
ennuistic [2d\]: jusually r13.
ennuistic [2d\]: there is some merit in r15 here though i think.
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei is standing again, watching board 2 and chatting lightly with Bill Lin. Both are from Canada but I don't know if they are good friends.
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;W[qg]C[GoBum [5d?\]: When will we have some pro vs pro action?
MssrBlanc [2k\]: You think all Canadians know each other, eh, usgo1? 
Iciac [5k\]: All Canadians are on good terms.
ennuistic [2d\]: remember that black can still connect under with l17
ennuistic [2d\]: definitely seems the stronger way.
sushisan [4d\]: pro versus pro or versus pro versus, that's the question
ennuistic [2d\]: at least force once with l17 and then cap
ligo [4k\]: where is the commentary?
ennuistic [2d\]: board 5
ogre [2d?\]: usgo5
ligo [4k\]: ty
ogre [2d?\]: (still says board 1)
usagi [1d\]: Black did not intend to be cut at F15.
usagi [1d\]: did he?
]
;B[kh]C[usagi [1d\]: It looks like a mistake
USGO1 [-\]: Kapow~ goes the stone
Acemi [?\]: n14 or l17 now?
ennuistic [2d\]: what an interesting move.
]
;W[mf]C[usagi [1d\]: Black looks like he got cut.
evanj [2d\]: kapow eh
Morph [4d?\]: one time this guy
Acemi [?\]: r9 next big point?
XiaoDre [6d\]: white doesnt get easy on black at all
Morph [4d?\]: kapowed his stone
iancho [1d\]: b looks strategically toated to me
ennuistic [2d\]: l12 why?
Morph [4d?\]: and then the whole board was gone
usagi [1d\]: I want to understand N6.
blurry [5k\]: after s17 b has threes weak groups
]
;B[rc]C[blurry [5k\]: a ha
ennuistic [2d\]: g11 is white sente anyway.
Syptryn [3d\]: err that was weak
Syptryn [3d\]: should L17
ennuistic [2d\]: there is a lot of pressure on black middle
ogre [2d?\]: blurry so close if you had just remembered whos move it was
dter1: j11
ennuistic [2d\]: can even think to k10
blurry [5k\]: thinking for both sides
blurry [5k\]: phrased poorly
ibd [5k?\]: ooo
Iciac [5k\]: l12 threatens m17 and looks towards connecting to bottom/left
Acemi [?\]: h11 
blurry [5k\]: r8 for w now?
ennuistic [2d\]: r8 is too small.
covtxrider [15k\]: l17?
ennuistic [2d\]: it gives away initiative for 8 pts or something like that.
ennuistic [2d\]: not worth it.
Acemi [?\]: I think white we go in middle of L15 and E12 group to attack both
Iciac [5k\]: j11 looks nice
ChemBoy613 [-\]: n12
ennuistic [2d\]: if you want to play that way you should play n12
ennuistic [2d\]: and then r8
blurry [5k\]: if b gets it he splits w 
ennuistic [2d\]: makes more points.
ennuistic [2d\]: but i think n8 is weak here.
usagi [1d\]: Black's big problem is his group on the left can be attacked, w can take the whole middle
ennuistic [2d\]: plus koreans like fighting so...
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i think that n16 can either jump or connect, but better to jump
ennuistic [2d\]: also cut looks interesting.
usagi [1d\]: if only n14 can touch r11 
blurry [5k\]: k11 then?
ennuistic [2d\]: how does l13 work out?
ennuistic [2d\]: it looks complicated.
]
;W[gi]C[Watcher [-\]: Time?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: this is a good move :)
Iciac [5k\]: >.< I nearly called g11
jeffywhite [2d\]: i was thinking somewhere around here
ennuistic [2d\]: this is just sente at anytime.
iancho [1d\]: textbook stuff in splitting attacks
Iciac [5k\]: f11?
USGO1 [-\]: About 80 or 90min left each. No worries.
usagi [1d\]: e10 looks like black's move because w might defend on the left
ogre [2d?\]: g13
ennuistic [2d\]: so i'm assuming n12 now.
ChemBoy613 [-\]: then come back to n12
iancho [1d\]: first one then the other
sushisan [4d\]: not completely sente, ennui
dter1: g12
ChemBoy613 [-\]: this looks sente enough for me
ennuistic [2d\]: it gives away some stuff at c8 area?
USGO1 [-\]: 73min for white, 99min for black.
sushisan [4d\]: after b E10, b D9 remains as a big mv
Watcher [-\]: Is Yongfei an amatuer?
ennuistic [2d\]: also looking at g12 attack and cross?
]
;B[ej]
;W[dk]C[MssrBlanc [2k\]: Yongfei is an amateur
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan turns off his phone~
sushisan [4d\]: so, it's only sente when w accepts a local loss
MssrBlanc [2k\]: Probably top Canadian ama
ennuistic [2d\]: this still looks pretty overwhelming adv for white.
Acemi [?\]: d9 for cash only?
ennuistic [2d\]: at least initiative wise.
ennuistic [2d\]: well...
largehc [1k?\]: d9 to keep b group weak
ennuistic [2d\]: if you think that there was an invasion pt at d8.
USGO1 [-\]: Now Myungwan takes a walk around the room...
Iciac [5k\]: d9 fixed income rent
Watcher [-\]: lol i know it's rude but in my last tournement i answered a phone call and left the other person with 15 minutes to think of one move
ennuistic [2d\]: and g11 forces black to "force" white to play d9
Morph [4d?\]: lol commeting on players reactions is kinda funny
Acemi [?\]: do we have online video?
Morph [4d?\]: commenting*
ennuistic [2d\]: so g11 takes cash while keeping everything weak.
ennuistic [2d\]: its a pretty good move
Watcher [-\]: US GO doesn't have video feed
Acemi [?\]: g11 was definitely good  but D9?
deft [3d\]: W has the initiative, but he still has to find a way to use that to catch up in the territory race
ennuistic [2d\]: white thinks that there are too many weak groups for black to save all at once.
ennuistic [2d\]: really?
ennuistic [2d\]: i think he's caught up already.
Morph [4d?\]: same
usagi [1d\]: Black L10.
ennuistic [2d\]: with d9 connecting to c6 now, the invasion pts at h3 and l4 become big
Watcher [-\]: America is too primative to have cameras recording their games lold
ZeroKun [-\]: lol
goroxy [5k\]: maybe they can trade in those fancy ing clocks for a video stream
ennuistic [2d\]: he couldn't do it before b/c c8 was miai like.
ennuistic [2d\]: say h3 and c3 trade, then c8 becomes a big problem.
ennuistic [2d\]: this way how h3 and l4 just become black weaknesses.
]
;B[hj]C[Acemi [?\]: aha. tnx ennuistic
ennuistic [2d\]: i wonder if its time to invade yet.
Iciac [5k\]: It's always time to invade.
ennuistic [2d\]: well.
ennuistic [2d\]: he can put more pressure on l12 stones.
zakatan [6k\]: gasolina
MssrBlanc [2k\]: (Yongfei is not top Canadian amateur, that appears to be Juyong Koh.  Yongfei just does better in US tournaments)
jeffywhite [2d\]: ennuistic, shadow force dispanded, didnt it
ennuistic [2d\]: seems hard to find a move.
Watcher [-\]: US open ...just north america?
covtxrider [15k\]: TheCaptain is top Canadian!
ennuistic [2d\]: yeah i think so...
XiaoDre [6d\]: any idea how old is Kim ?
jeffywhite [2d\]: ah well
Iciac [5k\]: l3 looks best
usagi [1d\]: TheCaptain is Canadian?
jeffywhite [2d\]: good times...
ennuistic [2d\]: i miss you guys <3
ennuistic [2d\]: not really though.
jeffywhite [2d\]: i got stronger, see?
ennuistic [2d\]: yeah.
ennuistic [2d\]: mad props.
MssrBlanc [2k\]: Kim was born 1978
jeffywhite [2d\]: thx
]
;W[ji]C[Zuko [2k\]: Yongfei Ge is Captain?
ennuistic [2d\]: yay.
ennuistic [2d\]: pressure.
xedover [?\]: no Zuko
]
;B[mh]C[ennuistic [2d\]: captain is not a top player though, i think.
ennuistic [2d\]: he works in canadia.
Watcher [-\]: Zuko as in avatar?
ennuistic [2d\]: hmm.
ennuistic [2d\]: can p13 or o13?
MagicMagor [3k\]: Well captain is certanly top in terms of fame =)
Iciac [5k\]: o13 
Zuko [2k\]: yeah
ennuistic [2d\]: not sure which is better.
ennuistic [2d\]: i think o13 looks more solid here.
grumpyjoe [-\]: captain is the kgs mascot
Watcher [-\]: captain is only 4d...but his games are lovely...lots of fighting spirit
Zuko [2k\]: ha have style
Prophet19 [9k\]: true
Watcher [-\]: however whats fighting spirit without skill
jeffywhite [2d\]: m13 ?
ennuistic [2d\]: i want to get back into go but its hard.
ennuistic [2d\]: takes a lot of time.
Khim [-\]: He is 9p ? not 8p?
jeffywhite [2d\]: i know right?
ennuistic [2d\]: yeah m13 is pretty good.
ennuistic [2d\]: since o16 is pretty forcing.
Watcher [-\]: e14 and l15 are on the run
ennuistic [2d\]: but not a good idea now i think.
ennuistic [2d\]: nah, i take that back.
jeffywhite [2d\]: i guess leave the aji
ennuistic [2d\]: now is as good a time as any.
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;W[ng]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: he really needs to keep it split
ennuistic [2d\]: the problem is if n13 is forcing.
grumpyjoe [-\]: yeah, like that
Watcher [-\]: it looks like an uphill battle for yongfei
ennuistic [2d\]: i think white has controlled the match from n16
largehc [1k?\]: it was always an uphill battle
ennuistic [2d\]: he made two big sente gains with j17 and d9
ennuistic [2d\]: and still has sente.
ennuistic [2d\]: end with a invasion on the bottom.
Watcher [-\]: it's annoying that you have to clone game to go back!!!
nhanh [1d\]: this game is over
dsaun [1k\]: Watcher, you don't have to clone.  Just click "options/ view offline"
nhanh [1d\]: how is the game records?
Watcher [-\]: n16 does seem to be a turn of events...but lets not forget how bich b's bottom is
nhanh [1d\]: is kim unbeaten?
]
;B[mg]C[ennuistic [2d\]: black gets chased to p6 it may become a problem for him later.
XiaoDre [6d\]: ya.. why doesnt wms allow navigation in demonstration game?
ennuistic [2d\]: ah, here we go.
ennuistic [2d\]: is this sente?
XiaoDre [6d\]: really annoying to clone
Watcher [-\]: DSAUN...stilll thats my point...you cna't just shift and click on n16... to go back
dsaun [1k\]: again, cloning is not necessary
MssrBlanc [2k\]: Well, normally in a demonstration, someone is..demonstrating smoething for you, so you want to have people in the same place
Iciac [5k\]: navigation in demonstration games would be a problem, especially in lectures.
MssrBlanc [2k\]: They just need a separate option for relayed games, or something.
ennuistic [2d\]: o16?
]
;W[nd]C[covtxrider [15k\]: just hit view offline
jeffywhite [2d\]: nice
ennuistic [2d\]: hurts.
Iciac [5k\]: No sente for black ;)
covtxrider [15k\]: put the offline on your second monitor
ennuistic [2d\]: n18 is interesting here.
XiaoDre [6d\]: where can I download second monitor ?
]
;B[od]C[ZeroKun [-\]: lol
ennuistic [2d\]: guess not.
nhanh [1d\]: :)
evanj [2d\]: get mac os x 10.5 or .6
ennuistic [2d\]: i said n18 because it gives black a chance to connect under.
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei takes a walk again.
Iciac [5k\]: o12 ?
Itch [5k\]: m10 ?
sushisan [4d\]: b N18, w M18. then w is connected on upper side
ennuistic [2d\]: i like his carefree attitude.
covtxrider [15k\]: work on monitor1, game on monitor 3, offline on monitor 2
ZeroKun [-\]: i need to get that ipad app for a second monitor, well 3rd monitor
jeffywhite [2d\]: is black l17 sente now?
ennuistic [2d\]: it is hard for him to win this game anyway.
covtxrider [15k\]: everything covered
Watcher [-\]: evanj..........no...just no
MssrBlanc [2k\]: carefree attitude or extreme nerves, either one.
covtxrider [15k\]: still have monitor 4 to research
Watcher [-\]: don't get mac
ennuistic [2d\]: i think it always has been.
ennuistic [2d\]: l17 doesn't change much though.
ennuistic [2d\]: just m18
nhanh [1d\]: now?
jeffywhite [2d\]: isnt that important though?
jeffywhite [2d\]: black becomes safe
largehc [1k?\]: o12
ennuistic [2d\]: don't think so.
nhanh [1d\]: at the moment w doesnt have any troubles
jeffywhite [2d\]: hmm
dter1: m10
ennuistic [2d\]: well. either way white can connect from outside or on top
byanjiong [8k\]: l3?
ennuistic [2d\]: you make a gain at l18 but lose one at p19
Watcher [-\]: dter1...w m10?
dter1: yes
ennuistic [2d\]: i think white probably gains more from m18 than black from l18
jeffywhite [2d\]: m 10 is too thin
jeffywhite [2d\]: too easy to cut
]
;W[of]C[Watcher [-\]: black m10 is solid
MrCactu5 [2k\]: i would play L17 but i'm not 9p
Watcher [-\]: w m10...*so so
ennuistic [2d\]: mm.
]
;B[nh]C[ennuistic [2d\]: finish shape.
Toolucky [3d\]: how/when did Myungwan get 9p?
]
;W[pg]C[ennuistic [2d\]: practice?
ennuistic [2d\]: XD
byanjiong [8k\]: ??
nhanh [1d\]: now w is super strong
evanj [2d\]: no, that's how he got to carnegie hall
Watcher [-\]: myungwan..honary 9p? for teaching?
byanjiong [8k\]: slow move r13?
flooder: this w plays like a pro
ennuistic [2d\]: black still not solid.
st21 [-\]: w kgs teacher
st21 [-\]: right?
ennuistic [2d\]: this is stronger than p12
nhanh [1d\]: for teaching, haha
Toolucky [3d\]: well i remember him being 6 or 7p, did he win a title or something?
ennuistic [2d\]: dunno, i'll gobase.
evanj [2d\]: he was 8p until a few months ago
Iciac [5k\]: l9 
terrymac [6k\]: Last year, if my memory is correct; increased by 1p due to teaching. He was 8p at the time. 
Watcher [-\]: no he got honary 9p i remember...reading it somewhere
]
;B[kj]C[XiaoDre [6d\]: who gave?
MssrBlanc [2k\]: Nah, repeating in the US Open is a new route in 9p in Korea :)
Khim [-\]: 9d since 2008 june
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei tiddlywinks K11 out of the way, then replaces it.
terrymac [6k\]: korean baduk pro association 
nhanh [1d\]: shat is the point of being 9p when you didnt improve your skills?
Toolucky [3d\]: i don't think so blanc...
Watcher [-\]: tiddlywinks wWHAT?
evanj [2d\]: he accidentally knocked it away is what he mean
evanj [2d\]: s
USGO1 [-\]: K11 went flying~
Watcher [-\]: so he could place l10
ennuistic [2d\]: hmm...
MssrBlanc [2k\]: Toolucky: I think it was obvious sarcasm.
yoon [10k\]: how far did it go?
ennuistic [2d\]: yeah seems he just got promoted.
ennuistic [2d\]: i remember him being 8p last year.
evanj [2d\]: excellent question, yoon
Watcher [-\]: tiddlywinks...just sounds liek tellytubby talk
USGO1 [-\]: over to h12 or so ;D
ennuistic [2d\]: other sites have him at 6p still..
XiaoDre [6d\]: Black R7 dangerous?
Iciac [5k\]: l3 now?
flooder: where is the hidden stone of white?
st21 [-\]: Kim win Eric yesterday?
covtxrider [15k\]: was he slamming it down?
Toolucky [3d\]: kim wins everyone...
evanj [2d\]: kim has won everything
ennuistic [2d\]: see if white can extract any more territory from attacking
eurogotv [-\]: hi
Watcher [-\]: myungwan...is honary 9p
XiaoDre [6d\]: kim only lost to Mogobot
Toolucky [3d\]: has he lost a game in the u.s. open in the past 3 years even?
evanj [2d\]: no
nhanh [1d\]: :)
Acemi [?\]: very game decisive move must come now it feels
ennuistic [2d\]: honorary?
tf [2d\]: f13 now?
ennuistic [2d\]: he's not that old though.
evanj [2d\]: he has never lost an AGA game
USGO1 [-\]: He didn't play it very hard... you guys don't know Tiddlywinks? I feel old ;_; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiddlywink
ennuistic [2d\]: 1978 puts him at 32.
nhanh [1d\]: he is american citizen?
ennuistic [2d\]: normally honorary is like 60+
Iciac [5k\]: I need sleep >.<
eurogotv [-\]: no stream today?
yoon [10k\]: i do not know tiddlywinks
MssrBlanc [2k\]: No, nhanh.  He moved here in 2008.  
largehc [1k?\]: j9?
Watcher [-\]: picture says ..."flea game"...so this is where germs are born
nhanh [1d\]: thnx
yoon [10k\]: lol
MssrBlanc [2k\]: He did only beat Mingjiu by 1.5 pts, and he lost to Jie Li in 2005 with no Komi. 
ennuistic [2d\]: no komi is huge..
flooder: so he is promoting go in the us by winning away all the prize moneys?
]
;W[ik]C[largehc [1k?\]: I'm 9p
evanj [2d\]: hahahahaah
MssrBlanc [2k\]: yes, it's big. 
ennuistic [2d\]: hehe... i would promote us go too if i took prize moneys.
Toolucky [3d\]: he's saying "i'm from korea, and not a huge contender for titles... you americans need to get better!"
MssrBlanc [2k\]: Actually, I think he donates the prize money back to the aga, but I could be wrong.
ennuistic [2d\]: he's just hustlin.
Watcher [-\]: lol thanks usgo...i learnt something new today..tiddlywinks..
Mikki62 [1k\]: hi Squeezzelt
terrymac [6k\]: no hustle -- he gives good value -- you could learn instead of being snarky
terrymac [6k\]: don't see any 9p critics here, do you?
ennuistic [2d\]: huh?
evanj [2d\]: take it outside, boys
spar [6k\]: 9p has one opinion :)
flooder: MssrBlanc - and he pays to play in the open as well?
ennuistic [2d\]: i seem to get in fights with random people, dunno why
Watcher [-\]: It's good having someone strong...because everyone gets stronger in order to beat him
]
;B[hi]C[ennuistic [2d\]: mm
yoon [10k\]: or they submit to his greater power and become his slaves
flooder: b16 will live and L15 will die - game over
ennuistic [2d\]: h12 looks ok.
flooder: easy to predict
Watcher [-\]: maybe...one day the west will have some modicum of success in go
flooder: like a hollywood movie
gav [1d\]: bbw playing milan !!!
]
;W[jh]C[XiaoDre [6d\]: get the billionaire philantrophist to sponsor Go education
evanj [2d\]: L15 will not die
Iciac [5k\]: I'll assume statistics are correct, and white wins. Goodnight!
ennuistic [2d\]: haha.. i wonder if that will take top board honors from this game.
yoon [10k\]: gnight
XiaoDre [6d\]: Iciac works on weekends?
Watcher [-\]: lol XiaoDre...anyone fimilar with the American game company called ATARI?
yoon [10k\]: yes me
yoon [10k\]: it makes phone games
Watcher [-\]: their name is from go
Watcher [-\]: maybe twist his arm into givving money
ennuistic [2d\]: don't think that guy is a billionaire.
ennuistic [2d\]: he made some bad investments a while back and lost a lot.
evanj [2d\]: i keep forgetting that the b h15 stones aren't cutting stones. it's getting on my nerves
ZeroKun [-\]: yes, ET the game
ennuistic [2d\]: n10 glaring.
ennuistic [2d\]: haha ET ref.
Watcher [-\]: or beatin up by ruthless companies like EA...which produces rubbish...and destroy all companies that were good
ennuistic [2d\]: best climbing out of a whole simulator ever made.
soon9d [27k\]: He doesn't climb, he floats by extending his neck.
XiaoDre [6d\]: white really wants to separate the groups
ennuistic [2d\]: eh? if he could float, why would he extend his neck?
ericosman [1k\]: i just got here and what strikes me is that black has two separated unsettled center groups while most of white's groups seem settled, except for q6
ZeroKun [-\]: its ET the game, do we need an explaination?
ennuistic [2d\]: yeh, probably not. good point.
ennuistic [2d\]: snail's pace.
ZeroKun [-\]: w just that good
Watcher [-\]: ericosman.......w =9p...b=7d
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;B[gg]C[jeffywhite [2d\]: no, i want to know the exact laws of phyics in place in ET 
largehc [1k?\]: zomg
soon9d [27k\]: I'm just happy as long as the FBI doesn't come along to steal my candy.
ericosman [1k\]: so "Watcher" you're saying that's why ?
Watcher [-\]: YES#
largehc [1k?\]: b just threw away n12?
bobombera [7k?\]: m13
ennuistic [2d\]: mm.
Watcher [-\]: w has seperated...b thus giving him a chase whilst he games
evanj [2d\]: not at all, largehc
ennuistic [2d\]: how black group is settled.
ennuistic [2d\]: lets see what pappens with n10
Watcher [-\]: onlye l14 ...that needs to be settled
grumpyjoe [-\]: b needs a plan
ericosman [1k\]: perhaps n12 group nt so easy to attack since q6 not settled yet 
grumpyjoe [-\]: not just run
ennuistic [2d\]: n10 and fight some more.
Watcher [-\]: stone at o9 or there abouts and thats settled
largehc [1k?\]: lol
zzyugizz [19k\]: wow
evanj [2d\]: what?
largehc [1k?\]: nothing's settled against 9p
]
;W[hk]C[zzyugizz [19k\]: nothing
yoon [10k\]: evennn... if it has two eyes?
Elmarias [-\]: a living shape with 2 eyes is settled.
ZeroKun [-\]: lets forget the 9p, lets be concerned on not losing a game yet :)
Lodestone [3k\]: well, that's an exaggeration
Watcher [-\]: can't j9 get seperated?
yoon [10k\]: cutting hurts white
yoon [10k\]: or
yoon [10k\]: black
]
;B[hh]C[yoon [10k\]: i mean black :(
Toph [6k?\]: white is preparing a strong attack against L15 group
largehc [1k?\]: lol?
Watcher [-\]: Toph...is taht why you think he is strenghening j9 ?
Watcher [-\]: or playing g9
ennuistic [2d\]: well.
Watcher [-\]: h9*
ennuistic [2d\]: h9 is a free sente move.
ennuistic [2d\]: you usually take those if it can help later in any way.
ericosman [1k\]: free sente is good if it isn't aji keshi
ennuistic [2d\]: he's definitely playing n10 to attack though.
Toph [6k?\]: usually, when 2 weak group, you attack the first one to prepare killing the second in a sente way
]
;W[jj]C[eurogotv [-\]: European Go Pro organisation: http://eurogopro.org/opening.html
ericosman [1k\]: natural kneejerk reaction to k10 is black L9 right ?
ennuistic [2d\]: of course, aji keshi, but white didn't lose anything with n9
ennuistic [2d\]: interesting..
Watcher [-\]: btw I'#ve noticed loads of US go and European go...what about AFRICAN or ASIAN go?
]
;B[kk]C[ennuistic [2d\]: that move is strange to me, but who am i to question 9p
]
;W[mj]C[Morph [4d?\]: where would you go?
jeffywhite [2d\]: asians are just not good enough at go watcher
Watcher [-\]: Toph...described this earlier
Watcher [-\]: it has began
twold [1k\]: no one plays go in asia watcher
ennuistic [2d\]: i would've attacked at n10 directly.
Toph [6k?\]: ah? sorry, i wasn't watching earlier
Elmarias [-\]: asian go? lol. where do you think this game came from?
ennuistic [2d\]: either way n10 was played.
jeffywhite [2d\]: america
ericosman [1k\]: o10 seems to be the blitz answer to n10 but not sure if it's really good or not.
Watcher [-\]: I knnow asia have professional organisations...but don't they have amatuer stuff too. or tournemetns on kgs?
ennuistic [2d\]: a cap at l6 would be devastating for black.
MssrBlanc [2k\]: They have lots of amateur tournaments, but they're mostly on asian servers
Valentia [1d\]: they have their own, much bigger servers
twold [1k\]: lol, they have millions of casual players there. no need for kgs...
ennuistic [2d\]: hard to answer this move.
MssrBlanc [2k\]: KGS is run by an American.  They have IGS, Tygem, Oro, etc
ericosman [1k\]: if black o10 and then white L6, then black would N9 right ?
ennuistic [2d\]: no attaching move works.
Lodestone [3k\]: asians broadcast tournaments on TV even
twold [1k\]: igs is not asian. and it's almost dead. for a long time now
ericosman [1k\]: is K13 a useful sente for black now ?
Watcher [-\]: igs is horrible to use 
twold [1k\]: yeah
Xebo [4d\]: there is wbaduk, tygem ...
Valentia [1d\]: its not. it has lots of japanese old guys who also happen to pay for it for some strange reason
ZeroKun [-\]: glad you guys like kgs so much :)
XiaoDre [6d\]: i thought u can choose what client to use to connect to IGS
sh [-\]: isnt igs aka pandanet japanese?
NorthWind [5k\]: n12 group seems very short of eye space
ennuistic [2d\]: i think kgs has gotten a little weaker in the past year
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei stands, and takes a walk while scratching his head.
Ashura [2k\]: usgo, how much time do the players still have?
MssrBlanc [2k\]: IGS was founded in 1992, but later bought by pandanet
twold [1k\]: you mean rank or service, ennuistic?
ennuistic [2d\]: strength wise.
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei's clock shows 80minutes and ticking. Myungwan has 54min.
ennuistic [2d\]: a lot of top players i don't see any more.
yoon [10k\]: lol scratching his head
ericosman [1k\]: if black k13, white wuld j13 to prevent connection, then black could connect at L13 which threatens J12, and that J12 is a double threat, both to capture at K16 or to attack the K11 stones
twold [1k\]: well, i am 1k now, so that says it all :-)
ennuistic [2d\]: haha, i don't think its that.
twold [1k\]: true, not enough of bbw and gentle these days. but rapy is back :-)
ennuistic [2d\]: thats news to me.
twold [1k\]: check out the vanq account
ennuistic [2d\]: is it a diff account?
ennuistic [2d\]: yeah, heard about him.
ennuistic [2d\]: i don't think its the same guy.
ennuistic [2d\]: its been years.
pippo2 [9k\]: game over for b ?
twold [1k\]: how many japanese blitz gods do you know on kgs? :-)
Toph [6k?\]: ericosman: mhh, i think if black K13, white will J12
XiaoDre [6d\]: vanq uses jap client?
ennuistic [2d\]: only one as far as i can remember, but that doesn't mean that more are capable of it.
twold [1k\]: well, he used different accounts already in the past. elona, erinys, yagumo
Toph [6k?\]: (it could kill H11 group)
ennuistic [2d\]: i suppose.
Elmarias [-\]: ig B k13 and W j12, the B j13
jeffywhite [2d\]: he then switched to his new account, jeffywhite
Elmarias [-\]: W would be able to cut apart.
Elmarias [-\]: *Wouldnt
twold [1k\]: he would have to commit seppuku if he ever became 2d
ennuistic [2d\]: oh... i don't think k13 is sente.
Arhiman [1k\]: o9
ennuistic [2d\]: count the libs.
jeffywhite [2d\]: im a lib
ennuistic [2d\]: oh.. never mind. i counted the libs.
Elmarias [-\]: me too, libertarian
ennuistic [2d\]: lol. i'm a stoner.
just9x9 [-\]: k13 j12 j13 h13 k16 
Toph [6k?\]: bK13, wJ12, bJ13, wH13, bL13, wG12, bF13, wG10
ericosman [1k\]: if black k13, i don't think white j12 is a good answer since black can then j13 and white can't even answer at h13 because it will be in atari !
ennuistic [2d\]: yeah yeah, its sente i get it.
pippo2 [9k\]: b k 13 w j 13 b l 13 w j 12 and ?
ennuistic [2d\]: idk.
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;B[mk]
;W[nj]C[Lodestone [3k\]: j12 is sente?
ennuistic [2d\]: it also assumes that white will answer b k16.
]
;B[lj]C[ennuistic [2d\]: all according to plan.
Janggo [5d\]: no c3 yet
ennuistic [2d\]: seems good enough to o9
sh [-\]: m8?
ericosman [1k\]: j12 is sente for black but not useful i don't think because then white L13 just reduces black's liberties
ennuistic [2d\]: really wants to m8 here?
Toph [6k?\]: oh, well seen just9x9, white have not enough liberties
Arhiman [1k\]: m8 seems ajikeshi
jeffywhite [2d\]: ennuistic, that line could be about chess
ennuistic [2d\]: o9 and r7 net some territory
]
;W[ll]C[sh [-\]: :-)
Arhiman [1k\]: maybe not
ennuistic [2d\]: god, he's ruthless.
soon9d [27k\]: Yeah, that flood stuff was hardcore.
ogre [2d?\]: dang why didnt b go o9?
notMe [1d\]: he still can
ennuistic [2d\]: if black dies, gg
ogre [2d?\]: yeah
ennuistic [2d\]: if black lives in gote, gg
ogre [2d?\]: b should die
ogre [2d?\]: instead of living in gote
NightSky [7k\]: biiig time
Caribe [4k\]: lol
ennuistic [2d\]: right..
ennuistic [2d\]: its the only honorable thing to do.
ogre [2d?\]: die is better
ennuistic [2d\]: who wants to live in gote?
covtxrider [15k\]: solomon, what the time balance?
soon9d [27k\]: Who wants to live forever?
Caribe [4k\]: it's like "he'd rather be dead than slave"
ericosman [1k\]: knee jerk response to m8 peep is L8 but is it really good ?
ennuistic [2d\]: if i ever play a 9p, i'm playing my stones all in a straight line.
gav [1d\]: lol
ennuistic [2d\]: 1 weak group and he kills you.
ZeroKun [-\]: if w is tartrate ive played him :3
ogre [2d?\]: now o9 p9
Toph [6k?\]: if i was black now, i would play.. K8, probably
Lodestone [3k\]: hasn't andy liu beaten myungwan kim before?
Arhiman [1k\]: I prefer to die honorably rather than to live miserably
ennuistic [2d\]: it was almost 100% confirmed a while back that kim was tartrate.
Arhiman [1k\]: that's not kiai, ennuistic
alexanderp [?\]: wasn't tartrate 6p first? he got 9p after these years? how old is he?
ZeroKun [-\]: ive been out of the go loop, no idea
ennuistic [2d\]: kiai?
Arhiman [1k\]: figthing spirit
ericosman [1k\]: the problem with L8 or K8 is it seems like black is just defending and not gaining any profit
soon9d [27k\]: 100% confired by speculation and coincidence... lol.
sh [-\]: or l8
Arhiman [1k\]: or miai with a "k"
ennuistic [2d\]: nah, screw fighting spirit
soon9d [27k\]: confirmed*
Somber [8k\]: LOL
Somber [8k\]: M7!
Arhiman [1k\]: ok, miai with a "k" then
ennuistic [2d\]: i'm playing turtle style against 9p
Somber [8k\]: stupid caps loc..
hellogo1: O9?
ogre [2d?\]: too late for o9
Arhiman [1k\]: you should try b2 bomber, more chance to succeed
sh [-\]: m7 seems bad shape for black
elixyr [13k\]: o8
ennuistic [2d\]: making walls behind my walls.
ogre [2d?\]: o9 before m10 m8 better
largehc [1k?\]: yo dawg
ennuistic [2d\]: just in case if he breaks my first wall, i have a line of defense afterwards.
blackmoa [3k\]: whats the point in playing a pro if you are just afraid of him and only deffend?
Lodestone [3k\]: L8 try to run
st21 [-\]: l8 try to die
sh [-\]: yes L8 is my guess too
pippo2 [9k\]: b q 10 ?
ennuistic [2d\]: l8 is pretty normal
Lodestone [3k\]: no t19 is try to die
Arhiman [1k\]: I think I'd make a paper wall, throw one or two stones in diversion while creating a mighty b2bomber in a corner
ennuistic [2d\]: but i think this game is nearly over.
ennuistic [2d\]: probably 9:1 in white's favor.
Watcher [-\]: w l13 ?
ennuistic [2d\]: he literally hasn't given up sente since n16
soon9d [27k\]: Resign is honte.
evanj [2d\]: if B L8, it seems to me that w will either be able to squelch the whole group or completely demolish the bottom and win anyway
Watcher [-\]: 27k talking about honte
dter [6k\]: m9 :)
evanj [2d\]: i don't think L8 is enough
Watcher [-\]: lol
Watcher [-\]: nah black could play l8 and run
Itch [5k\]: p10 first ?
soon9d [27k\]: Kibitzer being a prick
soon9d [27k\]: lol
sushisan [4d\]: w M8: "now please live in the most humiliating way, or..."
ZeroKun [-\]: guys, everyones allowed to comment
nedmunds: k8
ZeroKun [-\]: lets not be mean
Lodestone [3k\]: if a move is urgent, then it must be played?
just9x9 [-\]: no
Watcher [-\]: my comment is obviousl that you're not 28k by the fact you knwo what honte is 
ennuistic [2d\]: i think its more a sense of admiration for 9p's skills
ZeroKun [-\]: when in doubt, tenuki
XY0908 [-\]: I am all for ZeroKun.
sushisan [4d\]: if a mv is urgent and not illegal, it can be played
byanjiong [8k\]: k8
ennuistic [2d\]: the game hasn't made past 100 moves and most people think its over.
DanielTom [5d\]: I also heard: when in doubt, defend
just9x9 [-\]: when in doubt tenuki is also a good proverb for kibitzing
Arhiman [1k\]: and "attack is the best form of defense"
just9x9 [-\]: thats how kibitz is like
alexanderp [?\]: Hm. Tartrate winning US Champ. Seems fair.
ennuistic [2d\]: i don't think that black has a territory lead any more.
MrCactu5 [2k\]: I think black should  move on the left K8
NorthWind [5k\]: o9 any good ?
sushisan [4d\]: "when caught in a kibitz, resign"
ogre [2d?\]: no
MrCactu5 [2k\]: then when white cuts B S7
ennuistic [2d\]: either l8 or k8 i think.
ennuistic [2d\]: not sure which is better.
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;B[lm]C[evanj [2d\]: M7?
Somber [8k\]: told u :)
evanj [2d\]: oh man too late !!! :(
ennuistic [2d\]: too fancy for me.
bikle [5k\]: When will there be a lunch break ?
Acemi [?\]: whats left for black if white gets right side. He has to attack there
deft [3d\]: not much has changed in the territory race yet, but it looks like W will be able to invade the bottom after making himself strong by attacking in the center
evanj [2d\]: but he seem sto agree that L8 is not enough
ennuistic [2d\]: dun like this move.
just9x9 [-\]: if caught by an admin add another comment then abandon both of it ;)
evanj [2d\]: i do
deft [3d\]: and if W invades successfully at L3 or L4 the game is over
largehc [1k?\]: fighting move
evanj [2d\]: i don't think he really had a choice to play a straightforward move here
Arhiman [1k\]: kiai
alexanderp [?\]: m7 was suggested by 8k - please, write it in the protocols
deft [3d\]: M7 is standard tesuji
Somber [8k\]: lol
ennuistic [2d\]: well.. almost anyone can suggest a move.
ennuistic [2d\]: its harder to understand the reasoning behind it
XY0908 [-\]: M6?
alexanderp [?\]: not for Yongfei Ge! Or Mighty Tartrate!
gav [1d\]: sequence deft?
NorthWind [5k\]: 8k s rule
Morla [5d\]: standard tesuji yes, but most a-dans dont see it :)
just9x9 [-\]: oh, there are a-dans, b-dans and c-dans? lol
ennuistic [2d\]: i think n7 is good enough here.
evanj [2d\]: this is the only move that gives a possibility of living without destroying b's bottom side
deft [3d\]: it was the move I was looking at when he played it, but there is some reading involved to check that it actually works
evanj [2d\]: which is not to say I think it will work
Morla [5d\]: amateur-dans (a-dans)
ennuistic [2d\]: but i normally get lazy when i think i'm leading.
just9x9 [-\]: i see
sushisan [4d\]: XY just suggested a mv, even though his own coordinates r illegal
ennuistic [2d\]: m6 seems legal enough?
deft [3d\]: I didn't finish reading out what happens if W L8 N8 L7 N7 etc.
sushisan [4d\]: but not XY
ibd [5k?\]: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
ibd [5k?\]: piza
sushisan [4d\]: ibd: what mv is that?
evanj [2d\]: it gets messy
just9x9 [-\]: yes, XY is move spamming with his account
Morla [5d\]: yep needs lot of reading
evanj [2d\]: but b has to make it messy
ibd [5k?\]: what is mv?
evanj [2d\]: molto vibrato
Stoch [16k\]: move
evanj [2d\]: oh
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;W[km]C[just9x9 [-\]: hane what else :)
just9x9 [-\]: make this eye false
ennuistic [2d\]: cut only.
ericosman [1k\]: seems black can consider either L8 or M8.  difficult choice ?
Somber [8k\]: N8 perhaps?
Lodestone [3k\]: n8 L8
ennuistic [2d\]: i really think cut is only choice here.
Somber [8k\]: see if i can get lucky lol
ennuistic [2d\]: but i don't think it goes anywhere.
ibd [5k?\]: n8 will hardly live
sushisan [4d\]: b is in a quandary
largehc [1k?\]: n8 total failure :P
evanj [2d\]: yeah, n8 is not an option at all
mex [6k\]: n7 maybe ?
ibd [5k?\]: k7
Somber [8k\]: or is it a secret genious 8k move?!?! ( twiddles thumbs in the corner) 
ericosman [1k\]: i still wonder if K13 sente is useful for black, and now wondering whether following it with L17 could lead towards life
just9x9 [-\]: o9 now
deft [3d\]: the thing is L8 isn't really safe for B either
Lodestone [3k\]: if b L8, w k7?
evanj [2d\]: L8 K7 N7
ibd [5k?\]: b k7
Arhiman [1k\]: what about n7 ?
ogre [2d?\]: why not l8?
just9x9 [-\]: or p10 maybe now
Somber [8k\]: O8 seems somewhat reasonable
deft [3d\]: then M6 evanj and B only has one eye and lower side is being invaded
ogre [2d?\]: b cant be thinking about safe or not safe at this point
deft [3d\]: not sure that's so great
dishonest [-\]: guys USGO5 has the same game but somwhat 10 moves ahead!
ogre [2d?\]: it doesnt mater how b loses
ZeroKun [-\]: lol
ibd [5k?\]: omg usgo 5 must be from the future
ibd [5k?\]: ask them for tomorrow's stock market
au2 [2d?\]: playing variations
dishonest [-\]: yeah or you are from the past
ZeroKun [-\]: actually id like the power ball numbers
mex [6k\]: no , we are in past o_o
evanj [2d\]: i don't think anything works. 
evanj [2d\]: w will get too much strength towards the bottom.
evanj [2d\]: and b will be left floundering for eyes.
jeffywhite [2d\]: did you guys know that if you clone the game, the white stones are rendered different?
ericosman [1k\]: i'm switching to usgo5 as this screen seems frozen
USGO1 [-\]: xD
deft [3d\]: good luck with that
ZeroKun [-\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei has been playing quickly up till now. He has a lot of time.
]
;B[mm]C[ZeroKun [-\]: no lunch, or is that at 1?
archisaur [12k\]: How much time does kim have?
mex [6k\]: yes ! my move
sushisan [4d\]: ah! a 6k move
Arhiman [1k\]: a 1k too
USGO1 [-\]: Noon local time, if both players agree to break. At 12:30 either player can call lunch break.
deft [3d\]: looks like it
ZeroKun [-\]: thanks
Watcher [-\]: why are they showing the same game twice?
deft [3d\]: when W connects at L8 the 6k wouldn't know what to answer though
]
;W[ml]C[largehc [1k?\]: wait, what?
terrymac [6k\]: 2nd game seems to include commentary, variations
ZeroKun [-\]: 1 is be commented by a profressional, watcher
mex [6k\]: lol
]
;B[nk]C[mex [6k\]: professional watchers
Acemi [?\]: m9 ftw
deft [3d\]: M9 now simply fails
NorthWind [5k\]: m9 p10
evanj [2d\]: m9 ftl
Acemi [?\]: horde ftw
]
;W[ok]C[ibd [5k?\]: l8r
deft [3d\]: now I understand what B is aiming at
largehc [1k?\]: enlighten us dumb kyus, please
deft [3d\]: there are some variations where P6 group gets cut off and it forms a semeai
natsu [7k\]: what's a semeai?
Akagi316 [-\]: lol
Lodestone [3k\]: capture race
covtxrider [15k\]: capture race
soon9d [27k\]: Male gametes
ibd [5k?\]: I like my semeai like I like my women
natsu [7k\]: alright
deft [3d\]: either that or B captures the two N10 stones which is an efficient way to live and still leaves him some chances
natsu [7k\]: ty
largehc [1k?\]: ibd, easy?
Akagi316 [-\]: interesting
Lodestone [3k\]: welcome
ericosman [1k\]: semeai when two groups are fighting to kill each other and depending on which has more liberties and/or who makes a mistake, one of them dies.
Caribe [4k\]: thank god for I don't play with high pros... man can easily be paranoid
nhanh [1d\]: looks hard for b
]
;B[nl]
;W[nm]
;B[oj]C[ennuistic [2d\]: mm.
ibd [5k?\]: no largehc, ericosman's description is much better
ennuistic [2d\]: he spent a lot of time thinking this move.
]
;W[ol]
;B[lk]
;W[ln]C[ennuistic [2d\]: end result is not much better for black at all.
largehc [1k?\]: that was funny
MssrBlanc [2k\]: wow, white's position on the bottom got thick
covtxrider [15k\]: i think w is happy?  new pet turtle?
Lakotnik [2k?\]: b problems?
]
;B[pj]C[ericosman [1k\]: w poised to invade bottom
ennuistic [2d\]: instant tenuki
ibd [5k?\]: just add water
jeffywhite [2d\]: haha
ennuistic [2d\]: deep invasion maybe.
sh [-\]: l4?
sushisan [4d\]: well... w P11 still leaves b dead
ennuistic [2d\]: l3?
ogre [2d?\]: chia nuki
leachy [5k\]: would that invasion result in a large semeai ?
largehc [1k?\]: hey, b is alive!
ennuistic [2d\]: L3 seems more possible since outside is much stronger.
largehc [1k?\]: ftw!
USGO1 [-\]: Is the black group alive now in the middle?
evanj [2d\]: no
ogre [2d?\]: p11 take eye
ennuistic [2d\]: yes.
sushisan [4d\]: not at all
mex [6k\]: c3 
deft [3d\]: W cannot P11 yet
]
;W[oi]C[deft [3d\]: oops
evanj [2d\]: :.
largehc [1k?\]: oh wait no
leachy [5k\]: (joke
sh [-\]: cool
]
;B[ni]C[sushisan [4d\]: at the very least, VERY BAD aji for b
ennuistic [2d\]: still kill
ennuistic [2d\]: lol.
USGO1 [-\]: 9p doesn't like being told what to do :P
]
;W[pi]C[ibd [5k?\]: k8
nhanh [1d\]: R9 for sure
nhanh [1d\]: :)
mex [6k\]: 9p is only  p p p p p p p p p
Koukkaaja [3d\]: pet turtle had a voodoo doll add-on
ibd [5k?\]: pizza
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei has resigned.
]
;B[]C[ennuistic [2d\]: lol.
SqueezeIt [2d\]: wow
Archron [5k\]: ahhh
USGO1 [-\]: W+Resign
largehc [1k?\]: aww
largehc [1k?\]: poor black
ennuistic [2d\]: died?
xedover [?\]: thanks usgo1
ogre [2d?\]: r9 r8 s8 s9 
sushisan [4d\]: lunch break
alexanderp [?\]: how many rounds more?
iancho [1d\]: thanks for sharing
sweety [-\]: thanks USGO1
scottw1919 [8k\]: w resigned?
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